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[WIP]Dwemer Archaeology - a thinking man's mod

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So are ya gonna also do a mod for us thinking women?

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Features:

Thought provoking problems that require more brains than brawn
New models and textures (no new race though)
A new language (really - a whole new one)
Multiple storylines - there is no wrong way to play
New adventuring tools! Portable floor torches, working picks, etc...
New landmasses in this and possibly future editions

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Basically, DA is going to be a way to discover more about the Dwemer, but in a closer to real-life way. Real linguistics will come into play, decyphering skills, deductive reasoning - all the skills you *can't* go train for at the guild Please - if you're looking for monsters to slay, there are a lot of mods out there for you. This won't be fun for those who prefer the hack 'n slash style of play. Hopefully I'll do the Dwemer justice here, and create a bit of their history that meshes well.

Comments are muchly appreciated

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[WIP]Dwemer Archaeology - a thinking man's mod

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So are ya gonna also do a mod for us thinking women?

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D'oh! It's a thinking woman's mod too

I shall definately research everything I can on the current language as it is known and I will do my best to make use of the fonts. I know there are quite a few places they could be put to good use in DA. I already have some of the language done in the Sherwood font and it looks pretty good, but a real Dwemer one would open up a LOT of possibilities

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Sounds cool. I'm actually implementing an 'archeology' questline in Bjornholm, but it sounds like it will be substantively different from yours, as it is focused on indigenous peoples of the island (e.g. Nords) and not Dwemer. That said, I did script a working excavating pick, so I guess we have some ideas in common.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this shapes up.

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Is there any chance I could have a look at how that pick works? A scripter, I am not, sadly. I can do models, textures, world building, story telling - all except the code lol

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I'll keep that in mind, though it won't be the main focus for the mod. I wanted to make it more of an intangible reward system - kind of like the feeling you get reading a good book

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That works even better for me.

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I shall definately research everything I can on the current language as it is known [*snip*] I already have some of the language done in the Sherwood font and it looks pretty good, but a real Dwemer one would open up a LOT of possibilities

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This could very well wind up my favorite MW mod ever. One of the things that ultimately led to my career choice--getting a doctorate in literature so I can teach sf/f and Medieval lit to college students--was reading The Lord of the Rings & the Silmarillion, becoming totally enchanted by the cultural and linguistic depth of the works, and then discovering a serious, academic text which compiled & analyzed all of the linguistic materials from Tolkien's works so that one could learn how to use these completely invented languages.

Half of me want to offer to assist you in making the mod (if you want any assistance, that is), but the other half keeps yelling "But you can't *play* it if you help *make* it! There won't be any mystery!"

Anyway, if you'd like some help with this project let me know; otherwise, I'll just be eagerly anticipating the completion and release of this mod.



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95% was complete crap - although at the time it was earnestly believed that the information presented in the text was completely accurate.

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Makes you wonder what sort of crap we're being fed nowadays, doesn't it?


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Trip out!

Great idea and I'd love to see how you implement it. Yay! Really, this is something I can totally get excited about.

-Cel.

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yes I add myself to this list too!

I have 230+ mods as it is, but this one i will add too!


In Redguard the dwemer [dwarves] intrigued me, with the "ancient civilization"!

more...more..more!

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I'd recommend not staying strictly within the lore. If you do, much of the potential mystery is erased. Instead, use the lore as a base and reveal that some parts of what's 'known' are just plain wrong. After all, there's no reason to believe that the historians or philosophers of Tamriel are any more accurate in their assumptions and conclusions than those of pre-empirical Earth are.

This was driven home to me once again today when I was reading a 13th century text on the various uses of herbs, 95% was complete crap - although at the time it was earnestly believed that the information presented in the text was completely accurate. It's amazing the sort of twaddle that's taken for fact when empiricism isn't being used as a litmus test for truth.

In any event, just remember that the lore isn't gospel, and could very well be partly or completely wrong on a number of accounts. That leaves open the possibilities both for yourself and for the players.

Max

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I Looove this!


I agree indeed, after all, just look at the Politics that rule Tamerial and the Emperor and the court

There would not only be the "mistaken" so-called "research"; there would be the personal, political, reasons to hide the truth, to put one's own views as fact, in the political arena of the years of
Tamerial....

history coul;d have been written up "revisionalistly" over and over again, much like the Soviet rulers did: lets not ask about our own history, in the usa!

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Makes you wonder what sort of crap we're being fed nowadays, doesn't it?

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Mordantly true, and I was thinking the exact same thing when I read those comments! It's really just a matter of each society having its own foibles, a sort of "folk culture" of false knowledge. To the people of the Renaissance, if a source was in an old book, it was infallible, since earlier authority was automatically superior, given the gradual deterioration and eventual destruction of the world, as all good Christians expected. Today, we think that raising prices and raising salaries automatically means everybody is better off; and in some nations, 50.1% of the voters can completely outweigh 49.9% of the voters who want an opposing point of view. Where's the sense in any of it? It's all a matter of what fallacies your society buys into, and what you implicitly accept while being acculturated.

Err, sorry for the spam.

Back on subject. I'd certainly hope this mod adds more books to the environment. And I'd like to see discoveries that are implemented over time, creating the sense of evolving actions. That's one thing that's seldom seen in the game. Sure, you can have a house built if you're a Telvanni top-of-the-unassassinated-heap, but there's no construction going on anywhere in Vvardenfell, no stores opening and closing--it's static. Hopefully, this is will be one of those mods that changes over time.

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It's all a matter of what fallacies your society buys into, and what you implicitly accept while being acculturated.

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The problem with the text I used as an example has nothing to do with defects of culture, but defects of science. The people who used it believed the effects of the herbs were true because they had been told they were true by others who'd gone before them. The actual effects of the herbs were never tested in any empirical fashion. This is why I refer to such reasoning as 'twaddle'.

Of course, modern America has all sorts of this bogus reasoning floating about. Most people don't care for empiricism when it contradicts some cherished personal belief that provides them with a daily dose of mental soma. They'd rather have the soma than the truth, thank you. Rather ironic, given that their entire world, from the light switch to the car to the computer they're typing on, was invented through the act of empirical observation and practical application, and not blind wishful thinking.

But the original point I was making stands: the lore is not an absolute source of truth. Like a great many historical texts from ages past on Earth, it's probably riddled with self-serving lies, half-truths, myths, misinterpretations, bad translations, and just plain garbage. And that's a good thing, because it means the modder can do just about any bloody thing he pleases and still 'remain true' to the lore - just by claiming that the lore was mistaken on some point. And if the empirical act of archeological investigation yields evidence that contradicts the lore, all the better!

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...you will NEED to take copius notes...

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This is quite something, expanding quests to reality Writting notes and drawing wall signs to later decypher it should be fun.

Hey, and dont forget the "rewards"... No, I dont mean dig this and get uber sword of doom, but rather... Well, you said you will be making new meshes and textures right? Make some artifacts, some extremly valuable, others just cool to place around the player house, etc. Also reputation increasing by finding and discovering stuff.
Getting financial boosts for the diggings and exploring, etc. Real life like.

And for the love of god, dont forget breath-taking areas. I find these enough reward for a lot of things. I love exploring and finding this beautiful areas.

Good luck on the project Im excited about this.


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If I can make a suggestion: try to use Yagrum Bagarm--the last living drarf--if you can. He must surely know more about his people than what he says in the original game. If this quest is post-DagothUr, I think there's no reason for Yagrum to stay in the Corprusarium anymore. He ought to be able to get out and assist with the field research. He's quite sane...most of the time

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Now, THERE'S and idea

I just might do that, y'know? Maybe not in the first release though. I had intended this one to be a good way to get your feet wet with the linguistics and the digging aspect, as well as some of the newer things going in in the way of meshes and so on.

Also - for those looking for rewards - there WILL be new booty to grab, but you must be careful about it. This *IS* and archaeology mod after all, and the archaeologists might get a little ticked if they find out you've been looting and pillaging their dig site :P

I shall try to please you all - but mostly I shall try to do the Dwemer justice.
Back to the CS I go

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Looks like a new book on that first table. Cool.

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Give the man a banana

Anyhoo - there will be a plethora of stuff like that in this mod - those of you asking for books are gonna have a good read on your hands

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this mod is one of those few mods i can't wait to play. although it most likly will not be out for awhile.

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It may be out sooner than you think. Depending on how all of the NPC scripting and journal entries go, it might be within the month. Remember though, that the first release will only be part one, and not even close to the whole story

Right now, I'd say I'm about 30% done with part one.

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I think that MC_Stalker is working on something like this (The Museum of Dwemer History) as part of Tamriel Rebuilt. Of course, TR probably won't be out for 10 years and by the time it does emerge people will say that the MoDH is like your Dwemer Archeology mod. Still, he probably knows the lore and you might want to ask him about his opinion.

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I remember when Tamriel Rebuilt was just starting up! lol

Is there still a site for them?

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Hey!! A blackboard!! What is it, a Dwemer language class?
Mwaaaa...can't wait 'til the release!!

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Hehe - not *language* class for them...

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nice! looking forward to the release...
also, i ahve a site bookmarked somwehre that had a bunch of dwemer-related models, including a sub, bathysphere, underwater helmet, and reallly cool looking tome - if you need the site, PM me or sumtihig and ill fine the link for ya ^_^

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Just post the link here bud I'm sure everyone reading would be into checking out some Dwemer stuff

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Waitwaitwait....
Did you just say that you are building the Dwemer language, sentence structure, grammar and all?
*faints*

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Not *the*, but *a* version of it. Kinda like a dialect. Bethesda is not all that forthcoming about releasing what the actual meanings are, so I have decided to create my own.

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You're sooooo close

try again - and remember that I am basing this language off of the ones I know some things about.

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Can I guess? Please?

Gren's guess, rough translation: I can speak it, and I can write it.

Hmmm... Or: If I can speak it, I can write it.

*shrug*

I had to give it a try; I love language-oriented games



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So, has this just simply become a spam thread?

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Sorry Fable - I didn't mean for it to start sounding like spam - I was just giving a little teaser of the language for folks to play with while I get into scripting.

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Features:

Thought provoking problems that require more brains than brawn
New models and textures (no new race though)
A new language (really - a whole new one)
Multiple storylines - there is no wrong way to play
New adventuring tools! Portable floor torches, working picks, etc...
New landmasses in this and possibly future editions

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Basically, DA is going to be a way to discover more about the Dwemer, but in a closer to real-life way. Real linguistics will come into play, decyphering skills, deductive reasoning - all the skills you *can't* go train for at the guild Please - if you're looking for monsters to slay, there are a lot of mods out there for you. This won't be fun for those who prefer the hack 'n slash style of play. Hopefully I'll do the Dwemer justice here, and create a bit of their history that meshes well.

Comments are muchly appreciated

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aha! I love things that make me use my brain, and sadly morrowind had little of that. This should be a welcome change I think, hopefully you can make some very challenging puzzle-type quests and such

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Features:

Thought provoking problems that require more brains than brawn
New models and textures (no new race though)
A new language (really - a whole new one)
Multiple storylines - there is no wrong way to play
New adventuring tools! Portable floor torches, working picks, etc...
New landmasses in this and possibly future editions

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Basically, DA is going to be a way to discover more about the Dwemer, but in a closer to real-life way. Real linguistics will come into play, decyphering skills, deductive reasoning - all the skills you *can't* go train for at the guild Please - if you're looking for monsters to slay, there are a lot of mods out there for you. This won't be fun for those who prefer the hack 'n slash style of play. Hopefully I'll do the Dwemer justice here, and create a bit of their history that meshes well.

Comments are muchly appreciated

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GODDAMNIT!!!

I was working on an Archaealogy faction mod myself.

But NOOOOO, someone has to come along do do a better one.

ARGH!

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